(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0-preview]ST[1] SZ[19]KM[6.5] PW[manocska]WR[6d?]PB[vanzeijst]BR[6d?]RE[B+T]DT[2010-11-23]PC[IGS-PandaNet] ;B[pd] ;W[dd] ;B[qp] ;W[dq] ;B[co] ;W[op] ;B[oq] ;W[nq] ;B[pq] ;W[dm] ;B[en]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: exciting... vaneeden [6d?\]: :)] ;W[ep] ;B[em] ;W[dl] ;B[dn] ;W[el] ;B[fl] ;W[fk] ;B[gk] ;W[gl] ;B[fm] ;W[fj] ;B[hl]C[JanHora [6d?\]: this is supposed to be a joseki,? vaneeden [6d?\]: could become one :) nidza92 [5d?\]: it is vaneeden [6d?\]: locally, they play 'natural' moves, so.. FieldMouse [4d?\]: joseki database says it is joseki vaneeden [6d?\]: mmm. boring ^^ nidza92 [5d?\]: who is white JanHora [6d?\]: ok then, I haven't try JanHora [6d?\]: white is Ondrej Silt] ;W[iq]C[nidza92 [5d?\]: thanks] ;B[gj]C[flashback [7d\]: couldnt w just g7? flashback [7d\]: oh] ;W[fi]C[baldur [5d\]: if you don't know the ladder... flashback [7d\]: XD JanHora [6d?\]: what about g10 instead oof j3? flashback [7d\]: seems reasonable :) flashback [7d\]: then o4 vaneeden [6d?\]: the forcing moves for both sides here are fine points vaneeden [6d?\]: hard to say which is better flashback [7d\]: now if o4 n3 o5, leaves w with L3 hole which i dont like at all flashback [7d\]: but lee se dol used this 3 space extension, so it should be ok flashback [7d\]: :)] ;B[cf]C[flashback [7d\]: c12 only move ! :)) baldur [5d\]: and reply to C12, B12!] ;W[ce] ;B[df] ;W[ch]C[nidza92 [5d?\]: nice] ;B[ed] ;W[ec] ;B[fd] ;W[de] ;B[ef] ;W[dc]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: one more joseki JanHora [6d?\]: g11 or some shape?] ;B[gf]C[JanHora [6d?\]: maybe prompting with d12 was also possible] ;W[fg] ;B[ff] ;W[gc] ;B[gi] ;W[gh]C[JanHora [6d?\]: this is not going well ..] ;B[hh] ;W[hg]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: looks like black is okay vaneeden [6d?\]: well, w is trying to play everywhere at the same time vaneeden [6d?\]: risky vaneeden [6d?\]: what is he thinking about? exploiting E12?] ;B[gg] ;W[fh] ;B[ih]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: loks like w is aiming at the g7 aji vaneeden [6d?\]: evidently] ;W[ig]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: still, b G13 is the only move vaneeden [6d?\]: no matter what flashback [7d\]: ho, isnt that dangerous for w? flashback [7d\]: left side FieldMouse [4d?\]: left side will always make two eyes :) vaneeden [6d?\]: looks alive to me JanHora [6d?\]: I am a bit worried about left as well - pretty dangerous there] ;B[cj]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: lets see now :) vaneeden [6d?\]: well, b does need to do something vaneeden [6d?\]: otherwise too easy for w vaneeden [6d?\]: but B12 still a move for w, if needs be] ;W[dj]C[JanHora [6d?\]: I like this exchange for white flashback [7d\]: question is if there will be time or use flashback [7d\]: but c11 d12 seems alright for w vaneeden [6d?\]: indeed] ;B[ck]C[flashback [7d\]: i dont see anything for b after b8 ... FieldMouse [4d?\]: b8 looks perfectly enough baldur [5d\]: is this a plan or plain rubbish JanHora [6d?\]: white better carefull - black d12 could be dangerous flashback [7d\]: d12 - c11 flashback [7d\]: nothing special seems flashback [7d\]: any idea for b after w b8? FieldMouse [4d?\]: b8 - d12 - c11 - d11 - b11 should be okay FieldMouse [4d?\]: for w vaneeden [6d?\]: not me flashback [7d\]: d9 instead of b11 seems more stylish for w i think flashback [7d\]: in the variation] ;W[ci]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: apparently, ondrej saw something flashback [7d\]: mano saw imaginar or real danger? :) Kachnak [1d?\]: none expected that... flashback [7d\]: i bet on imaginar flashback [7d\]: :) vaneeden [6d?\]: you imagine imaginary ^_^ JanHora [6d?\]: I bet on real one, anyway, it is a huge compromise flashback [7d\]: bleh, this is terrible compare to b8 if he could Nijawara [3d\]: perhaps he wants to weaken f14 in the process baldur [5d\]: a success for black] ;B[ie]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: but most certainly not decisive Kachnak [1d?\]: do you guys think they preplay variations this time whe they can? .:¨) flashback [7d\]: sure FieldMouse [4d?\]: with the b7 possibility black is certainly happier than if the two stones were unconditionally dead :) baldur [5d\]: in their heads, yes flashback [7d\]: why? its faster in head flashback [7d\]: :) vaneeden [6d?\]: balance of power in the center much more important now] ;W[jf]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: this shape not easy for b flashback [7d\]: well underconection c9 by b7 isnt in sente flashback [7d\]: my eyes still there :) FieldMouse [4d?\]: k15 only move? flashback [7d\]: should be flashback [7d\]: but b would like to k12 so much FieldMouse [4d?\]: w would like k15 supermuch too :) vaneeden [6d?\]: h well, upper left corner just some stones] ;B[je] ;W[jh] ;B[ji]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: ah, THAT's what he was thinking about vaneeden [6d?\]: but, is al that trouble really necessary? vaneeden [6d?\]: just J10 looks fine to me flashback [7d\]: if w L11 then b j10 flashback [7d\]: if b playes j10 before, then w can extned after k11 later and not hane vaneeden [6d?\]: i dont like that. this enables w L15 + hane flashback [7d\]: i think thats the idea vaneeden [6d?\]: it weakens b upper group flashback [7d\]: and if b j10 directly whites not able? flashback [7d\]: i think this make faster presure on centre stones so that helps to b top group vaneeden [6d?\]: well, he may ^^ flashback [7d\]: more than direct j10] ;W[kh]C[FieldMouse [4d?\]: come on, play faster, i have to go to school in twenty minutes... :)] ;B[bm] ;W[bl] ;B[cl] ;W[cm] ;B[bn] ;W[dk] ;B[bk]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: still, the only way for b to make ense of K11 is jumping at M15 next flashback [7d\]: sente for w flashback [7d\]: .. vaneeden [6d?\]: as a crude way of taking sente flashback [7d\]: double hane at top] ;W[gd] ;B[ge] ;W[ke] ;B[kd] ;W[ld]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: promising for w] ;B[hd]C[Kachnak [1d?\]: wow Kachnak [1d?\]: undo? flashback [7d\]: b7 was premature, propably b thought its sente HARUKI [BC\]: HI! flashback [7d\]: h17 or h18?] ;W[hc]C[flashback [7d\]: yea flashback [7d\]: :)] ;B[ic] ;W[kc]C[JanHora [6d?\]: what's white group status? HARUKI [BC\]: what?] ;B[jd]C[flashback [7d\]: alive i think flashback [7d\]: how u kill?] ;W[lc]C[flashback [7d\]: ho flashback [7d\]: dirty connection :) vaneeden [6d?\]: hat else? vaneeden [6d?\]: what flashback [7d\]: m15? vaneeden [6d?\]: b in dire straits flashback [7d\]: now b j18 and then m15 - n15 cut? vaneeden [6d?\]: he can cut, but capture outside stones? i doubt it HARUKI [BC\]: ½Ô¤µ¤Ï¥¢¥á¥?E¤Ç¤¹¤«£¿ flashback [7d\]: i think b can cut of centre stones first and then live by k17 flashback [7d\]: nono, just press top, enclose then live, and then c centres tones will be weak flashback [7d\]: *enclose top right HARUKI [BC\]: hi!where are you from? flashback [7d\]: czech republic and netherlands JanHora [6d?\]: what after d12 flashback [7d\]: but if w finish with sente L11 can solve the problem fast so ...] ;B[jc]C[flashback [7d\]: can be fine flashback [7d\]: d12 d11] ;W[hf] ;B[he] ;W[ee]C[flashback [7d\]: hehe] ;B[le] ;W[kf] ;B[me]C[HARUKI [BC\]: ˽¤ÏÖйúÈˤǤ¢¤ê¤Þ¤¹!] ;W[nc]C[flashback [7d\]: L11] ;B[nd]C[flashback [7d\]: ok :) flashback [7d\]: propably wrong push JanHora [6d?\]: tough fight, what is the byoyomi? vaneeden [6d?\]: 10m 25 flashback [7d\]: anyway this is exactly what i dont like that much flashback [7d\]: get cut like this in 2 vaneeden [6d?\]: ah! w E15. looks dangerous flashback [7d\]: so many worries, wouldnt be better to be connected at m15? vaneeden [6d?\]: wb has H18 and L18 now flashback [7d\]: long way to secure whites centre now flashback [7d\]: yes, thats it] ;W[oc]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: E15 is the culprit, i'd say] ;B[pc] ;W[od] ;B[oe] ;W[pb] ;B[qb] ;W[oa]C[flashback [7d\]: hm flashback [7d\]: b not gonna connect directly i think .. flashback [7d\]: nut if n18 w can o18? flashback [7d\]: *but] ;B[pf]C[flashback [7d\]: seems so vaneeden [6d?\]: now, b L11 puts a lot of pressure on w] ;W[qe] ;B[pe]C[flashback [7d\]: but how is b top status? vaneeden [6d?\]: b first, alive. w first dead vaneeden [6d?\]: :) flashback [7d\]: heh vaneeden [6d?\]: b has some 10 liberties vaneeden [6d?\]: or a little more] ;W[ki]C[flashback [7d\]: i meant, is c13 the move for reserve eye?] ;B[jj] ;W[kj] ;B[jk] ;W[kk]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: b center shape looks funny] ;B[kl] ;W[ll] ;B[km]C[flashback [7d\]: hm] ;W[qh] ;B[mb] ;W[nb] ;B[kb]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: living in sente vaneeden [6d?\]: or is he] ;W[qc]C[flashback [7d\]: if i were w, i play k18 at least at sente ..] ;B[qd]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: no, w can M19] ;W[rc] ;B[rb] ;W[md] ;B[lb] ;W[ne]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: arf] ;B[nf]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: this looks unhealthy for w flashback [7d\]: man ..., that sucks JanHora [6d?\]: he should m18 instead of cutting and ko] ;W[mf] ;B[nd]C[flashback [7d\]: m18 , n17? vaneeden [6d?\]: now, if w wins this ko, even L11 etc lose some of their value] ;W[rd]C[flashback [7d\]: w coudlnt m18, right?] ;B[mc]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: yep] ;W[sb]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: w vant R14 vaneeden [6d?\]: cant] ;B[re] ;W[qa]C[flashback [7d\]: b could even s19 ... JanHora [6d?\]: he could - going for the left group] ;B[np]C[JanHora [6d?\]: anyway, how is it on points now? vaneeden [6d?\]: this is a terrible loss for flashback [7d\]: bad for w vaneeden [6d?\]: with little compensation] ;W[mq] ;B[no] ;W[kp]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: and they only thing w needed, was for b to live in gote...] ;B[mk]C[flashback [7d\]: yes flashback [7d\]: r12 losing move] ;W[ni]C[flashback [7d\]: r10 Observing game 696 (manocska vs. vanzeijst) : Cornel 9d pogacsa 8d flashback 7d Veedee 6d+ vaneeden 6d JanHora 6d baldur 5d potentilla 4d+ krabicka 4d breeze 4d Werfeus 4d Hidoshito 4d Nijawara 3d MaLa 3d matter 3d ejlo 3d Koffein 2d betterlife 2d SlowThinkr 2d joachim 1d+ Kachnak 1d GoShun 1k+ BAP 1k Head 1k chihiro3 2k+ Muradenu 2k Roozen 2k koushun 2k soujiko 3k+ Blaf3 3k mh39 4k+ iiglesis 4k Fede 4k yen 5k+ sunao1811 5k Gotcha360 6k MagicMagor 7k+ Adeimantos 7k baca 8k Berodan 8k Milos 8k zurco 10k Pade 12k Maethy 17k HARUKI BC Found 48 observers (including 3 guests).] ;B[pi] ;W[nk] ;B[mj]C[vaneeden [6d?\]: eh, w didn't lose yet] ;W[nj] ;B[ml]C[flashback [7d\]: yes, not yet vaneeden [6d?\]: but b can attack at his leisure flashback [7d\]: w has no potential flashback [7d\]: really hard yose] ;W[ng]C[flashback [7d\]: i think b must make some serious mistake to lose] ;B[ph] ;W[pk] ;B[qi] ;W[om] ;B[mm]C[Weiß verliert durch Zeitüberschreitung.] )